in contrast, i thought ironically to what chuck hagel was doing and saying and being attacked for. on benghazi, that's her lady mcbeth spot moment. she took the fall. that's why i said obama had a payoff by calling 60 minutes basically because she covered his rear end, and nothing she -- and then she still attacked the critics. the problem with what she said is she still hasn't answered the questions which are who invented this false stories, and i have a few other questions. >> jenna: let me ask you this. the reporter for the associated press that had this interview said the secretary seems to suggest that she doesn't feel anything from benghazi will come back and haunt her if she runs for president in 2016. what do you think about that? does this have staying pure? >> i don't know. that's a long time away, and it probably doesn't. but the problem is there's still four dead americans. nobody's been captured, and eventually the truth's going to come out. it always does about how this phony story whichrs by the way, she was a proponent of. she tried to get out of the hearings. look.